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The Flash 2X15 Discussion: Explaining the Zoom reveal (well trying to anyways)

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So last week I said that The Flash season 2 episode 15 was probably going to be another filler episode without much going on, well I was wrong! If you haven’t watched the episode you should stop reading now because spoilers follow!

What the heck so Jay Garrick is Zoom???? Okay I just needed to get that out of my system, because first I’m just going to quickly talk about King Shark.

And so King Shark returns, and he looks pretty freaking awesome! The producers talked about how expensive it was to have that King Shark cameo a few episodes ago, so I can’t even imagine how much this episode cost.

King Shark is an awesome character who is a total savage. I like how he was written in the New 52 Suicide Squad comics, where he was a monster, but showed remorse as well. The Suicide Squad King Shark was also a bit of a dope, he could be pretty hilarious at times.

This King Shark was no laughing matter (if you can get over the whole giant walking and talking shark wearing pants thing). It was a lot of fun seeing the showdown between The Flash and King Shark. You forget how weird the world of The Flash is, until a character like John Diggle shows up and is completely in shock with everything.

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The other part of the episode focused on Wally West. I hope we’re going to be moving on from the angst-filled Wally now, and see some other emotions from him. Similar to what the New 52 did, I’m sure we’ll see Barry and Wally eventually bond, with Barry perhaps becoming a mentor figure to him. Barry was told he needs to find something in common with Wally, I don’t know, maybe something like the Speed Force? There haven’t been any indicators as of yet that Wally has the powers of the Speed Force, so we probably won’t see that until either the end of this season, or until next season.

Okay now let’s talk about the Zoom reveal! Once again my theories were completely wrong, because Zoom is Jay Garrick! Well kind of anyways.

The two theories I have agreed upon the most are as follows:

Zoom is Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon and the man in the prison is the real Jay Garrick. As for the Jay Garrick we’ve been seeing for the past season? I don’t completely know yet, but many are thinking that he may be a clone.

In an interview with EW, Kreisberg said when talking about Jay Garrick, “Part of the reason he was able to do that was because there was a hole in the center of their group, and he knew that. He was able to step in because they wanted it so desperately”.

So looking at the way Kreisberg is talking about Jay, this Jay was clearly manipulating them. But there’s no way they would make the actual Jay Garrick a villain. Jay Garrick is a hero, he is the original Flash, and I’m sure we’ll see the heroic Jay Garrick Flash soon.

Maybe on Earth-2 Hunter and Jay are twins. For some reason they end up on very different ends of the moral spectrum and become enemies. Hunter eventually captures Jay and puts him in a cell, and makes a clone of himself to steal Barry’s speed. This could explain why this Jay was dying, because he was a faulty clone (kind of like when in Smallville Lex Luthor made a bunch of clones, most of which ended up being very sick and dying).


This is one possible explanation for the Zoom reveal, but I don’t particularly like it.

First of all, it’s very similar to what happened last year. Kreisberg explains it has dramatic irony, but I don’t really consider it very good storytelling, it just seems a bit cheesy and lazy. Maybe if a few seasons down they did this it would be okay, but back to back? I don’t know.

Also if they do go down the road of twins and clones, it starts to get very convoluted. Yes the show is already pretty complicated with time travel and different Earths, but after a while all the plot twists and weird explanations just become silly.

I mean maybe they have a much better explanation than what I gave, something that makes a lot more sense and doesn’t involve doing pretty much the same thing as last season. I hope so! Because good storytelling isn’t just about having some huge plot twist that completely shocks everyone. Yeah Jay being Zoom had the shock value, but really it all comes down to the execution. It all depends on how they explain it.

Because if this Jay was just a fake Jay, then that means we spent the last season developing and connecting with a character that wasn’t even real. Which wouldn’t be that big of a deal, if they hadn’t just done it last season.

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I don’t know, maybe this is just a knee-jerk reaction, I just need to wait and see how they explain it all. Which apparently won’t be until the end of next month! I had no idea the show was going to be taking a month-long break, so that sucks.

The other theory is a little more simple: There’s 2 sets of Jay Garrick/Hunter Zolomon twins. Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon is Zoom and Earth-2 Jay Garrick is the one we’ve been with. Earth-1 Hunter Zolomon we saw on the park bench and Earth-1 Jay Garrick is the prisoner. But here’s when things don’t make sense: why would Jay not mention he has a twin? Seems a little odd. Maybe he doesn’t know he has a twin, could be the case if they were separated and Zoom had the mask on every time they met. But from the way Kreisberg talked about Jay, like I said, he’s talking about Jay as if he manipulated them, so the Jay Garrick we’ve seen can’t be good. 

Most of you are a lot better at theorising than I am, so let me know what you think!

Overall The Flash season 2 episode 15 was a big and shocking episode that involved talking sharks and major plot twists. I definitely want to know how they’re going to explain this whole Zoom thing, hope it’s not too confusing! 

10 replies »

  1. Personally, I favor the twin theory, but it does beg the question of why our Jay’s death would be such a complication for Zoom, as he says in the final scene of the episode, and why Zoom would bother with abducting Earth-1’s Jay and erasing every trace of him. …hang on, though, if Zoom has the capability to create a fully grown clone of Jay, one that thinks he’s Jay and has Jay’s memories… that sort of tech doesn’t just come to be overnight, and if it already exists for Zoom to take advantage of, then I wonder… could Zoom be Jay’s clone? And our Jay could be another clone, with the original imprisoned, his face hidden, while Earth-1’s Jay is Hunter Zolomon, so we’d have an original on each Earth, and two clones of one of them. Zoom defeats Jay just as the breach occurs, he goes to Earth-1, sees Barry, imprisons Jay, grows or uses another Jay clone, complete with memories, in about half a year, sends him to nurture Barry’s speed, likely with some way to monitor him too. Barry gets faster, gets more Speed Force for Zoom to steal, having a threat presented by Zoom to deal with and a mentor in the form of a Jay. Perhaps he needs to steal additional Speed Force in order to prolong his life, the way we saw Jay’s cell degradation momentarily halt last week? That would explain his order not to harm any other speedster, complete with his lethal anger when that order is ignored. Hmmm.


  2. I also liked that this episode took some time to process what happened on Earth-2. When it’s not caught up in romantic soap drama (as adorable as Barry and Patty were together, it fell apart there at the end), the show turns out some pretty decent character emotion and interaction. That’s what I love about The Flash: it knows when to slow down.

    Zoom Theory: Jay spent some time talking about how after getting his speed, he wanted more, just like Zoom wants more (which first tipped me off to the possibility he could be Zoom), and that’s when he started experimenting with Velocity 6. Could a side effect of that or one of the other five formulas be splitting off fragments of your personality, and that hunger for speed became Zoom? Now that you mention the two sets of twins theory, it has some merit, but what are the odds that they would both gain super-speed? Then again, both Mardon brothers were Weather Wizards, so I guess it could happen.


    • Definitely love the emotional layer of the show as well!
      Hmm could be. Thinking about it Jay has had some dodgy moments, like how he happened to sleep through the whole time Zoom was attacking Caitlin and Iris in Star Labs. Guess we have to wait until March to find out what’s going on 😦


  3. What I also like about this episode is that it kinda talked about the presence and legacy Amanda Waller has on the Arrowverse. Sure, she was only featured in Arrow (and the flash season zero comic, so technically flash too), but she did have an effect on things. She was kinda like a female Nick Fury, only hardly anyone liked her and when she left, instead of ppl continuing her work, they wanted to fix her mistakes cause she was a bad person. She wanted to use King Shark as a weapon and if she didn’t do that, maybe King Shark wouldn’t have escaped and keep going after Barry. He was by Zoom to kill Barry anyway, and she didn’t bother to fix that, much less his condition. In context of the story, her leaving presents more opportunities for ARGUS to be a positive element instead of some shadow govt thing that Waller used for her own gain. Come to think of it, that’s also similar to Martian Manhunter trying to reform the DEO after Henshaw died in Supergirl, and look how that went, at least until his cover was blown.

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